BEYERLY NATIONAL CEMETERY, NEW JERSEY

Mr. ENGEL. We will take up the next item, "Extension of grounds," for the Beverly National Cemetery, N. J., $19,680. Give us a brief justification on that.

Colonel MARSHALL. The present Beverly National Cemetery is practically full. The cemetery in Philadelphia and Finns Point National Cemetery are full. Therefore, it leaves this cemetery as the only one in that area available for burials.

In order to accommodate our needs, we are planning an expansion of this cemetery, and the reason for it is that there is land available at this cemetery, whereas there is no land available at the other two. Mr. ENGEL. How does that price of $1,300 an acre compare with the price of adjoining land?

Colonel MARSHALL. We have had that checked. That is in line with the adjoining land. Lots in the area are selling for $400 to $500 per lot.

Mr. ENGEL. For what size lot?

Colonel MARSHALL. For the ordinary 50-by-100-foot lot.

Mr. ENGEL. How many lots to the acre?

Colonel MARSHALL. The ordinary lot is 50 by 100 feet. Whether this is the same size lot or not, I do not know; it may be 25 feet. Mr. ENGEL. How far is that from the city of Philadelphia? General HORKAN. Nineteen miles from Philadelphia.

Colonel MARSHALL. Based on this price, the land would vary from $2,200 to $2,800 an acre.

Mr. ENGEL. Is that 19 miles from downtown?
General HORKAN. From the bridge.

Mr. ENGEL. What is it going to cost to develop those 15 acres? Is there an item in here for the development of that land? Colonel MARSHALL. No, sir; there is not.

any item in here.

We have not included

Mr. ENGEL. But you have estimates on that?

Colonel MARSHALL. The plan is for the immediate use in the fiscal year 1949 of adjacent land which is flat enough so that we can go ahead with what burials will be needed and then come in with an estimate next year.

Mr. ENGEL. How many burials do you have now in the other cemetery that is going to be separate from that?

Colonel MARSHALL. It will be adjacent to the existing cemetery and will become a part of the cemetery.

Mr. ENGEL. It adjoins it?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. And will become a part of it?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. Is the land level?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir; it is practically level.

Mr. ENGEL. Will it require much grading?

Colonel MARSHALL. No, sir; very little.

Mr. ENGEL. What kind of soil is it-rocky?

Colonel MARSHALL. There are very few rocks. It is loamy.
Mr. ENGEL. Give us a rough estimate.

Colonel MARSHALL. We estimate this addition will provide about 5,000 grave sites.

Mr. ENGEL. Suppose you insert that in the record.
Colonel MARSHALL. Yes, sir.

(The data requested is as follows:)

The National Cemetery at Beverly, N. J., was established in 1864 and at the present time contains 7.2 acres. As of June 30, 1947, 1,083 burials had been made in the cemetery and there were 1,329 sites available. The requirements for World War II dead are 2,480 graves, and it is estimated that the requirement for current death and veteran burials during the fiscal year 1948 will be 550 graves. [TILITY BUILDING, FINNS' POINT NATIONAL CEMETERY, NEW JERSEY

Mr. ENGEL. The next item is a utility building at Finns' Point National Cemetery, N. J., $9,000, broken down as follows: Remove present frame building, $50; remove present oil-storage house, $200; construct a new brick utility building, $8,750; total, $9,000.

What is the size of this new utility building you are going to construct?

Colonel MARSHALL. It is 1,122 square feet.

Mr. ENGEL. You have it in here "To provide a utility building 51 by 22 with 12-foot clear ceiling." Is that about right?

General LARKIN. That would give 1,100 square feet; yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. It is to provide a garage, storage for paints, oils, grease, lumber, fertilizer, grass seed, and so forth. That does not include the dwelling of the caretaker?

Colonel MARSHALL. No, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. Then you have a kitchen addition, $2,850.

Colonel MARSHALL. What we have is a building with an addition on the end of the office that sticks out into the driveway. The plan is to move the addition around and make an office out of it and put the kitchen addition there [exhibiting photograph].

Mr. ENGEL. How much will the kitchen addition be?

Colonel MARSHALL. The kitchen addition will be 17 by 19; the office will be 14 by 15.

Mr. ENGEL. Will that be stone?

Colonel MARSHALL. It will be in line with the existing construction. Mr. ENGEL. Similar to the other structures?

Colonel MARSHALL. Yes.

Mr. ENGEL. The type of construction shown there looks like the old Civil War construction. Is that right?

Colonel MARSHALL. The superintendent's lodge was built in 1877. Mr. SCRIVNER. Who is going to use this addition?

Colonel MARSHALL. The superintendent.

Mr. SCRIVNER. What else is he going to have in there besides? A kitchen 17 by 19 is a pretty good sized kitchen.

General LARKIN. Well, he lives in the building.

Mr. SCRIVNER. I know. I am thinking primarily of the kitchen. That is a pretty good sized kitchen, if I know anything about kitchens. Colonel MARSHALL. Seventeen by nineteen for a house like that? Mr. ENGEL. That is about the size of an apartment here in Washington.

Colonel MARSHALL. It is the size of my apartment.

General LARKIN. But it is a question of remodeling there. The room is there. That room is not going to be rebuilt; it is going to be remodeled into a kitchen.

Mr. SCRIVNER. I thought you were taking that off.

Colonel MARSHALL. No, sir; we are taking the office off of there and remodeling it into a kitchen.

Mr. SCRIVNER. But it is to be a new office?

Colonel MARSHALL. That is right.

Mr. SCRIVNER. And you are going to move that around to the other side?

Colonel MARSHALL. No, sir. It will be remodeled as a kitchen. Mr. SCRIVNER. This is what I was thinking, that 17 by 19 is a pretty good sized kitchen.

Colonel MARSHALL. That is right.

General LARKIN. It is not constructing a new kitchen; it is utilizing that particular size room for a kitchen.

Mr. ENGEL. Coming back to Mr. Scrivner's question, this $2,850 so-called kitchen addition shown on page 11, in effect, consists of a number of items you have on page 12, which breakdown is as follows: Remove present 14-by-15 frame lean-to, $50; construct new 14-by-15 brick office addition, $1,470-that is the new building, is it?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir; the new addition, not a new building. Mr. ENGEL. Then the other items are: Remodel 17-by-19 office into kitchen, $730; install new oil-burning heating boiler in lodge, $600; total $2,850.

Can you get an oil burner for $600 installed in that building? Colonel GAGNE. That is what has been estimated, and we have had an estimate to the effect we can get it for $600.

LONG ISLAND NATIONAL CEMETERY, N. Y.

Mr. ENGEL. Then you have Long Island Cemetery, N. Y.: Water supply and lawn watering system, $138,000.

Will you give us the justification on that?

We

Major KIRK. We are now operating in this area [indicating]. have a few outlets for lawn watering in the area, but not enough to meet the conditions, and we are going to carry them back to the area we are now developing.

The total amount we have, based on the estimate, is $138,000 in order to bring water to the new area.

The ground is rather porous, and most of the rainfall water goes right through and does not stay on the surface long enough to give the grass roots sufficient water. As a result, it needs additional water in order to get the right type of grass.

Mr. ENGEL. In addition to what you are giving it now?

Major KIRK. We are not giving any at present, because we have just started to develop this area.

Mr. ENGEL. How many acres will that $138,000 supply with water? Major KIRK. Approximately 40 acres.

Mr. ENGEL. How many acres are there in the cemetery?

Major KIRK. One hundred and seventy-five.

Mr. ENGEL. How much of it has been developed so far?

Major KIRK. Approximately one-fourth.

Mr. ENGEL. You mean this second 40 acres is what you are going to water?

Major KIRK. This is the first. We only have water in the original development.

Mr. ENGEL. In other words, you are going to come in, in a few years, with another estimate?

Major KIRK. As we progress, yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. Those are overhead tanks.

Major KIRK. The large item, the item of $75,000, is for an overhead tank.

The tank is going to be located approximately in the middle of the cemetery. [Indicating.]

Mr. ENGEL. This includes the $75,000 for overhead tanks?
Colonel GAGNE. Yes.

Mr. ENGEL. Will these overhead tanks supply the entire cemetery with water needed?

Major KIRK. It was designed for that purpose.

Mr. ENGEL. That is about $63,000?

Major KIRK. That is for utilities, pipes, and maintenance.

Mr. KERR. What facilities do you have there at present for watering? Major KIRK. We have nothing except a little bit down at section F, right here. [Indicating on plat.]

Mr. KERR. Just what do you mean by a little bit?

Major KIRK. We have just a few spigots, some of them that have been extended up this area. [Indicating.]

Mr. KERR. This is for a new cemetery?

Major KIRK. Yes.

Mr. ENGEL. How many acres do you have there now?

Major KIRK. 3.6.

Colonel HOLLOWAY. There are 12,785 graves.

Mr. ENGEL. You are going to have a system that is more or less scattered here and there for watering the 12,000 graves?

Major KIRK. They are not all in yet.

Mr. KERR. What I would like to know is what facilities were before, since you are coming in and asking for this $138,000.

Major KIRK. The only thing we had were a few minor spigots.
Mr. KERR. Did you not have some tanks?

Major KIRK. No.

Mr. KERR. How did you get your water well out to the graves over the cemetery?

Major KIRK. We have one pipe and a few spigots to get water over this area. [Indicating.] It is only a very small area that we are now talking about; this water can reach the area that has been developed, but as we go into the other area

Mr. KERR. Have any additional burials been made recently?
Major KIRK. Oh, yes.

Mr. KERR. About how many?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. One thousand seven hundred and seventy-nine during the fiscal year 1947.

Mr. KERR. This is to extend facilities as to cover the area?
Major KIRK. To cover the entire area; yes.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Is not this the same cemetery that we discussed last year?

Colonel MARSHALL. That is correct.

Mr. SCRIVNER. I understand a request was made last year to develop this extension. Did you anticipate a need for a sprinkler system there and a water system at that time, and did not provide for that in the estimates that were brought up?

Colonel MARSHALL. This was initially part of the estimate to cover the over-all program. Last year we presented the plan-Mr. SCRIVNER. I recall an item was submitted to the committee. Colonel MARSHALL. Yes; we had an allocation of $150,000 at that time.

Mr. SCRIVNER. This is $138,000 in addition to the $150,000?
Colonel MARSHALL. We did not get the full $150,000.

Mr. SCRIVNER. That was what you submitted the request for.
Colonel MARSHALL. Yes.

Mr. SCRIVNER. What I am asking is this: Is it not a fact that you started out with something and you gave us one picture one year and you come in a year later with a request for $138,000 on the same item? General LARKIN. No, sir. The $138.000, is not for the same items. Mr. SCRIVNER. We were discussing some of these same items last year.

General LARKIN. That is true.

Mr. SCRIVNER. And when you did not get it last year you are trying to get it this year?

General LARKIN. We got part of it last year and we are requesting the balance required.

Mr. CASE. Tell us what you estimated last year the cost was going to be and whether you are asking for the same thing or whether the additional costs are estimated to be more.

Colonel MARSHALL. Last year we put in an item of $281,000 for the Long Island Cemetery; that was exclusive of any buildings, and of that amount we received $265,000. There were certain items in the over-all program as presented last year which were not in the last year's budget. We discussed the entire program last year but we did not ask for the entire progi am. This is merely an extension of that

program.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Did you not ask for this water system last year? Colonel MARSHALL. We asked for a water system last year for the beginning of the cemetery, that is under the proposal which we anticipated for the operations of 1948.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Did you get any part of that?

Colonel MARSHALL. Yes.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Do you know how much you got?

Colonel MARSHALL. We got approximately $135,000 to take care of sections F, G, I, and M. [Indicating on map.]

Mr. SCRIVNER. How much did you get?

Colonel MARSHALL. The total reduction was $15,000 from the $281,000. We got the portion which allowed us to start here. [Indicating.] This is an extension that was not shown in the cemetery. Mr. SCRIVNER. How much did you get last year for the water system?

Colonel MARSHALL. Approximately $135,000.

Mr. SCRIVNER. What was the estimate?

Colonel MARSHALL. The estimate was for $150,000.

Mr. SCRIVNER. $150,000.

Colonel MARSHALL Yes.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Have you got a contract for a water system? Colonel MARSHALL. We are attempting to let it; we do not have a

contract