Colonel MARSHALL. The statute reads:

The Secretary of War is hereby directed to have the same inclosed with a good and substantial stone or iron fence.

Mr. SCRIVNER. How far north of the present line is your property line?

Major KIRK. 40 feet.

Mr. SCRIVNER. And you are going to enlarge this cemetery on the north by about 40 feet and reestablish a new fence on that new line? Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. How many additional graves will that give you where you are enlarging it?

Major KIRK. Approximately 100 graves.

Mr. ENGEL. One hundred graves?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir, in this section.

Mr. ENGEL. How many feet of fence are you going to tear out there and rebuild?

Major KIRK. About 300 lineal feet.

Mr. ENGEL. About 300 lineal feet of fence?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. You are going to tear it out at a cost of $5.80 a foot, and rebuild it at a cost of $17.30 a foot? In other words, it is going to cost you $23.10 per lineal foot, for 300 feet, to get how many additional graves?

Major KIRK. Approximately 100, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. Are there any further questions on this?

Then for roads, curbs, and gutters you are requesting $8,400, and for a lawn watering system, $4,500.

Mr. SCRIVNER. How old is this cemetery?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. It was established in 1862.

Mr. SCRIVNER. What have you been doing for water ever since then?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. Rainfall is the only system of watering they have.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Why not depend on rainfall for a little while longer in view of the fact that right today the greatest shortage we have in this country is of steel and steel pipe, and all your connections in there are just exactly what we are short of now?

Colonel GAGNE. Every year we have had to come in here and ask for more topsoil, fertilizer, humus and everything else to maintain these places because of the fact we cannot get water in there, and by putting water in there we will be able to keep down that cost.

Mr. SCRIVNER. How does it happen that this thought has not come to you during all of those 75 years since the cemetery was first constructed?

Mr. ENGEL. There are several small items here which we will skip

over.

BARRANCAS NATIONAL CEMETERY, FLA.

The next large item is Barrancas National Cemetery, Fla. The first item is enclosing wall and entrance gates, $58,800. That is $58,800 to enclose a 10-acre cemetery. Is that partly enclosed now?

Major KIRK. Yes.

Mr. KERR. They propose to enclose 3 acres additional, Mr. Chairman. They increase it from 7 to 10 acres.

Major KIRK. The story of this, Mr. Chairman, is that our present wall is across here [indicating], from here to here [indicating], and up to here and across and down to here [indicating].

Mr. ENGEL. Your present wall encloses how much land, approximately?

Colonel MARSHALL, Seven acre.

Mr. ENGEL. Seven acres?

Colonel MARSHALL. Yes, sir.

Mr. KERR. You want to enclose 3 acres additional; there is an increase from 7 acres to 10 acres. That makes 3 acres.

Mr. ENGEL. The present wall encloses 7.07 acres, and you want to increase it to 10.52 acres, is that right?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir; that is correct.

Mr. ENGEL. And this increase is on two opposite sides of the cemetery?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. ENGEL. How many acres on each side?

Major KIRK. Here is the wall which we will put in

Colonel MARSHALL. No, how many acres?

Mr. ENGEL. You cannot get it into the record by pointing with

your finger.

Major KIRK. That is about 31⁄2 acres.

Mr. ENGEL. On which side?

Major KIRK. That is on the north end of the cemetery.

Mr. ENGEL. On the north end of the cemetery you are going to add

31⁄2 acres, is that correct?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. How much of the cemetery is enclosed now?

Major KIRK. About 71⁄2 acres.

Mr. ENGEL. With what, a stone wall?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. And you are going to tear out the stone wall on the north end of the cemetery?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. And then extend it to enclose that 31⁄2 acres?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. And then the same thing is true of the south wall, is that right?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. How many new graves will that give you?

Major KIRK. About 1,400 grave sites.

Mr. ENGEL. About 1,400 grave sites?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. What kind of a fence is that stone fence you are putting around there? Let me see a picture of that fence. You have $58,800 here for that purpose.

General LARKIN. But that also includes the entrance gates to the cemetery, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. ENGEL. I note that you have $15,000 for the entrance gates, is that right?

Colonel MARSHALL. That is right, sir.

Major KIRK. Here is a drawing of it, sir.

[indicating].

Mr. ENGEL. It is a brick wall?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Here is the present wall

Mr. ENGEL. What is the cost per foot for the brick wall?

Mr. ROCHELLE. $16 a lineal foot.

Mr. ENGEL. Why are you putting that in, because it was started that way?

Mr. ROCHELLE. Yes, sir.

BEAUFORT NATIONAL CEMETERY, S. C.

Mr. ENGEL. The next item is "Beaufort National Cemetery, S. C.," utility building $5,500, addition to building, approximately 8,500 cubic feet (500 square feet) at 35 cents a cubic foot, $3,000; concrete apron, 200 square yards at $4 per square yard, $800; and drainage and utility service, lump-sum, $1,700, or a total of $5,500.

You are getting a utility building at 35 cents a cubic foot, where you are being charged 50 and 60 cents a cubic foot at other places. General LARKIN. They do work cheaper down in Judge Kerr's territory.

Mr. KERR. Well, I have not had that experience, General.

Mr. ENGEL. Then there is a lawn watering system at $9,500, and $1,500 for miscellaneous items and contingencies.

I think you better send some of your national cemetery fellows down into North Carolina from up in New York and some of those places. Mr. SCRIVNFR. How old is this cemetery, and why is it necessary to have a lawn watering system at the very time when the whole Nation and the whole world is short of pipe and steel? It may become necessary some day to put one in, but I cannot understand why it is necessary now at this time when this pipe and steel is so short in supply.

General HORKAN. The justification is because of the future maintenance cost involved.

Mr. SCRIVNER. How old is this cemetery; when was it established? Colonel HOLLOWAY.It was established in 1868. Heretofore they have depended on rainfall.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Then why not depend on rainfall a little longer until steel pipe and everything of that kind is not in such short supply? Colonel HOLLOWAY. I will give the same answer to that as we did in regard to the other cemeteries, that there has been a great deal of money spent on these cemeteries for replacing topsoil, fertilizer, and reseeding them, and this is part of the over-all cemeterial development plan.

Mr. ENGEL. Let us find out how much you paid on this for the topsoil, fertilizer, and so forth, in the last 5 years. Colonel MARSHALL. We do not have that now.

Mr. ENGEL. Let us find out.

Mr. SCRIVNER. That is a good point, Mr. Chairman.

(The matter referred to is as follows:)

RE ITEMS OF INSTALLATION OF WATERING SYSTEMS IN NATIONAL CEMETERIES 1. The following is expenditure of funds made at national cemeteries listed for 5-year period for fertilizer, humus, topsoil, and grass seed:

CORINTH NATIONAL CEMETERY, MISS.

Mr. ENGEL. The next item is "Corinth National Cemetery, Miss.' Here you are requesting a utility building addition at $3,350: 9,375 cubic feet at 32 cents per cubic foot, $3,000, and construction of concrete apron in front of the utility building, 89 square yards at $4 per square yard, $350, making the $3,350. Is that a brick building? Major KIRK. It is a brick building; yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. The next item here is extension of lawn-watering system, $7,800. You have a watering system there now, do you? General LARKIN. We have a partial one.

General HORKAN. Yes, sir; we have a partial system there at the present time.

Mr. ENGEL. It says here:

The present lawn watering system is installed only in the area of the superintendent's lodge and is inadequate to meet the needs of cemetery maintenance. It is proposed to extend the present system to provide suitable facilities for irrigation. This system will be a lawn hose and portable sprinkler type; the installation consisting of one meter box and bypass valves, one standard fire hydrant, 27 antifreeze water hydrants, 700 lineal feet of 3-inch, 900 lineal feet of 2-inch, 1.880 lineal feet of 11⁄2-inch, and 1,000 lineal feet of 1-inch wrought iron piping, valves and fittings.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Once again I make the same point on this item, that this iron pipe is scarce now.

Major KIRK. The situation is that we have minor irrigation there at the present time, but it is not sufficient because there are parts of the cemetery that are not being covered, and as a result we want to add additional hydrants.

FLORENCE NATIONAL CEMETERY, S. C.

Mr. ENGEL. The next item is "Florence National Cemetery, S. C." For utility building, roads, walks, and drainage you are requesting $18.700. Here you have a 28,000 cubic foot utility building at $11,200. Is that a larger cemetery?

Mr. KERR. Has there been any improvement made on these South Carolina cemeteries in the last 50 years, that you know of?

General LARKIN. I could not tell you offhand, but undoubtedly there have been some.

Mr. KERR. Have there been any improvements made in these old South Carolina cemeteries recently? Some of them have Revolu

tionary soldiers buried in them. Have there been any improvements made in them in the last 10 or 15 years?

Colonel GAGNE. No, sir; the developments have not kept up with the interments in these national cemeteries since the World War. The development has been lagging far behind the number of interments made in them.

Mr. KERR. And some of them have in them burials from the First World War, is that right?

Colonel GAGNE. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. When was this Florence Cemetery built?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. In 1865.

Mr. ENGEL. Do you know how old that utility building is that you are replacing?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. No, sir.

Major KIRK. The present one is located out to the left of the entrance to the cemetery, and the new location will be to the far right over against the wall.

Mr. SCRIVNER. How far, Major?

Major KIRK. Approximately 150 feet from the entrance, 150 feet away from the entrance.

Mr. SCRIVNER. I want to point out at this time, Mr. Chairman, that it may be necessary to amend some of your laws, because as Í recall, going back to one of the justifications, the law said that these buildings had to be located at the entrance. Now you are moving them away from the entrance.

Major KIRK. The law pertains to the superintendent's quarters.

FORT MEADE CEMETERY, S. DAK.

Mr. CASE. Here is a question that I would like to ask and get the information put in the record. You will recall last year we provided a small sum of money for you to take over that military cemetery out of some of the land of the old military post at Fort Meade, S. Dak. Will you place in the record what it would take to put in a suitable road from the highway across the railroad track to this tract that you are developing with the funds that we gave you last year?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

Mr. CASE. Can you put that in the record?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

(The matter referred to is as follows:)

(a) Length of access road-approximately 600 linear feet.

(b) Approximate cost-$7,200.

(c) Construction data: (1) Railroad grade crossing and signal device; (2) 6-inch substone foundation (base); (3) 11⁄2-inch bituminous surface; (4) combination eurb and gutter; (5) necessary drainage, etc.

Mr. CASE. As I recall you have got to cross the railroad track there and put in a proper road.

Colonel GAGNE. Yes, sir.

NASHVILLE NATIONAL CEMETERY, TENN.

Mr. ENGEL. The next is Nashville National Cemetery, Tenn. The first item here is remodeling administration office to provide toilet facilities and space for heating plant, $6,000. That includes general construction, $3,600; heating and hot water, $600; plumbing, $900;