septic tank and disposal field, $850; and electric, $50, making $6,000. There is also a public comfort building, 676 square feet (10,000 cubic feet) at $1.07 per cubic foot, $10,700. Also miscellaneous items, $1,670, or a total for Nashville National Cemetery of $18,370.

NEW BERN NATIONAL CEMETERY, N. C.

The next item is New Bern National Cemetery, N. C. Here you are asking for $8,000 for various types of construction. You are asking for a new utility building, 10,000 cubic feet at 40 cents a cubic foor $4,000, drainage, approximately 700 lineal feet at $2,500, and manholes, inlets, and headwalls $1,500, and miscellaneous items and contingencies, $800 making a total for the New Bern National Cemetery of $8,800.

FAYETTEVILLE NATIONAL CEMETERY, ARK.

The next is Fayetteville National Cemetery, Ark. For roads, curbs, gutters, and walks you are requesting $10,899. It is itemized there in the specifications. Are there any questions on that one? What are you doing, just coming in with a revamping of every cemetery in the Southern States?

General HORKAN. There are things there that should be brought up to date. The buildings need repair to put them in serviceable condition and we should fix up the roads.

Mr. ENGEL. Would you tell us how many national cemeteries you have in those States, and how many you are revamping in each of those States? Just put it in the record.

General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

(The matter referred to is as follows:)

Mr. CASE. Referring to this Fayetteville National Cemetery, are you increasing the capacity there by any of the improvements which are proposed?

Major KIRK. Yes.

Mr. CASE. By how much?

Major KIRK. By almost 50 percent.

Mr. CASE. Would the building of these roads increase the capacity? Major KIRK. Yes, sir; because it makes certain grave sites available which were not available before. There was no road into the cemetery except here [indicating], which was a dirt road. We are going to put a concrete road all of the way around to make it available to both sides [indicating]. We have only been burying in this part here [indicating]. We have this road in here, which is just a dirt road, but now we are going to put a concrete road in here [indicating], giving us access to all of this area [indicating].

Mr. ENGEL. What is that going to cost you?

Major KIRK. $11,989.

Mr. ENGEL. For Fayetteville?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. KERR. Now, suppose, General, a boy whose father and mother requests that he be brought back and buried here, suppose he lives near Knoxville, would you bury him in this Knoxville Cemetery? General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

Mr. KERR. That would be the policy to bury him in the one nearest his home?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

Mr. KERR. You would bury him in the one that was the accredited Federal cemetery nearest his home?

General LARKIN. Yes, sir.

General HORKAN. That is in the poll letter, setting forth the national cemeteries in this country where he can be buried.

KNOXVILLE NATIONAL CEMETERY, TENN.

Mr. ENGEL. The next item is Knoxville National Cemetery, Tenn. Is this a new utility building, or is that one you are adding to? Major KIRK. That is one which we are going to add to.

Mr. ENGEL. Utility building addition, $10,180. Addition to utility building, 18,300 cubic feet at 44 cents a cubic foot, $8,000, and there are various other items to make up the difference between that and $10,180, and for miscellaneous items and contingencies $1,018 is requested.

FORT GIBSON NATIONAL CEMETERY, OKLA.

The next item is Fort Gibson National Cemetery, Okla., replacement of water supply line from city to cemetery, $15,000, and for miscellaneous items and contingencies, $1,500 is requested, making a total of $16,500.

Are there any questions on that?

Mr. CASE. What is the urgency for that since they already have a water line?

Major KIRK. We are not getting sufficient water through this system at the present time, for the tanks within the cemetery. It is

an absolutely inadequate supply. We intend to add this larger line so that during the night we can draw on the city supply and put it in the tank and hold it for the coming day, or the following day.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Has this any greater capacity now than it had in the past?

Major KIRK. It has always been an inadequate supply.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Who drew up the specifications?

Major KIRK. The local authorities.

Colonel HOLLOWAY. This cemetery was established in 1868.

Mr. SCRIVNER. When was the water line established?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. I do not have that information.

Mr. CASE. The situation would be no worse here than it has been for the last 10 years.

Major KIRK. Fort Gibson has increased in size, and the drain on that water supply has been greater, and as a result we have not had a large enough line to draw on that water during the evening hours when the consumption is down in the city. This will allow us to draw on that city line during the night and store it for use the next day.

Colonel GAGNE. And also the cemetery is getting larger.
Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

FORT SAM HOUSTON NATIONAL CEMETERY, TEX.

Mr. ENGEL. The next is Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery, Tex., extension of watering system to grave sections, $10,000, excavation and installation of approximately 3,520 lineal feet of 4-inch water pipe, street washers, and so forth; excavation and installation of approximately 4,670 lineal feet of 2-inch water pipe, street washers, and so forth; excavation and installation of approximately 2,280 lineal feet of 1-inch water pipe. There is approximately 10,000 feet of pipe for $10,000, and for roads, curbs, and gutters, $20,000.

Major KIRK. This is the area [indicating] where it is going to be developed.

Mr. ENGEL. Are there any questions on that?

Mr. KERR. How many graves are there in that Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. There are 3,802 buried as of the 30th of June 1947, and there are 9,000 grave sites available.

Mr. KERR. And 9,000 available?

Colonel HOLLOWAY. 9,000 grave sites available for burial.

Mr. ENGEL. Still on Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery there is requested for roads, curbs, and gutters $20,000, and for miscellaneous items and contingencies, $3,000, making a total for all items for Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery of $33,000. Major KIRK. That is in this area [indicating].

FORT SMITH NATIONAL CEMETERY, ARK.

Mr. ENGEL. The next item is Fort Smith National Cemetery, Ark. The area of this cemetery is 15.83 acres, and $31,900 is requested for roads, curbs, gutters, walks, and drainage. Are there any questions on that?

Mr. CASE. The next item there is combination utility building, $16,000.

Mr. ENGEL. That is right.

Mr. CASE. The statement in the justifications says:

The present utility building is an old converted stable which was erected in 1904. Do you suppose that the War Department will get any criticism from the veterans in that area if you have a utility building there which has been serving the purpose 44 years, if you take the necessary housing materials to build a new utility building at this time instead of getting along with that for a year or two longer and relieve the pressure on the demand for housing materials by that much.

Colonel MARSHALL. Our purpose, Mr. Chairman, in presenting that item here is due to the fact that we have had no construction program in recent years, and now we are under continual pressure from all of the various veterans' associations, the American Legion and others. due to the fact that they are becoming interested in these national cemeteries.

Mr. CASE. I can understand that; and in the case of items in here which are actually for the servicing of additional graves or that need to be put in, if you are going to do it on an economical basis in the development of a cemetery, you can justify it pretty well; but the problem comes in, in putting in a water system where it has not been too badly needed for many years, or in replacing a building which is meeting the need, when you are going into the field of very scarce materials, and when we are setting up controls to allocate materials for soil pipe, sewer lines, and water lines, and things of that sort, and Congress has been asked to set up controls for those items.

Now, the Government ought not to work at cross-purposes on this; and where you have projects where the available facilities can carry along for another year or two, it seems to me that we ought to think of that. Congress is not going to be unreceptive to doing the proper thing for national cemeteries. It is just a question of when you do it. General HORKAN. Well, we are being subjected to considerable criticism in the case of quite a few of these cemeteries now, in both the type of buildings and the maintenance of them.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Which ones, for instance?

General HORKAN. In Philadelphia.

Mr. SCRIVNER. What about Fort Smith-have you received any letters on Fort Smith? Your statement was, you were getting them from veterans' groups, and so forth.

Mr. CASE. Here is the picture of the present operating building. It is a brick building, which may not be as large as you would like to have, but it has served the purpose, and in the replacement of that you go into the field of scarce materials.

Colonel GAGNE. Yes, sir; that is true, but all of our equipment, mowers, and so forth, are standing on the outside. As a result, i means a replacement and maintenance factor which we have to cover.

LITTLE ROCK NATIONAL CEMETERY, ARK.

Mr. ENGEL. The next item is Little Rock National Cemetery, at Little Rock, Ark. Here you are requesting for clearing, grading, and drainage $16,350, of which $14,800 is for drainage and $1,550 is

for clearing and grading 4 acres, at $387. Are there any questions on that?

Mr. SCRIVNER. Yes; I have one question. In this flat area, what are you going to do about your water table?

Major KIRK. By clearing and grading this area, we will be able to use it.

Mr. ENGEL. Is that the new area?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. The new area covers how many acres, approximately? Major KIRK. Approximately 11 acres, in the west-end section of the cemetery.

Mr. ENGEL. Which is now developed?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. And the new area is 4 acres?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir; approximately 4 acres.

Mr. ENGEL. On which side of the cemetery is it?

Major KIRK. In the west end of the cemetery.

Mr. ENGEL. The west end?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. That is what they call the low, flat flood area, which will develop 1,200 additional graves; is that right?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. That is the area you are going to develop?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. SCRIVNER. Where do the floods come from?

Major KIRK. They come from the river, through the northern section.

Mr. SCRIVNER. How are you going to stop them?

Major KIRK. By regrading this area [indicating]. There is enough soil within this area to move around in this part here, so that we will be able to make the fill.

Mr. ENGEL. Then there is a water system for the same cemetery, $15,000.

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. And construction of a new wall, 350 lineal feet, at $24 per foot, $8,400; and reconditioning and repointing 650 lineal feet of existing stone wall, at $2.46 a foot, $1,600.

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. And also relocation of main entrance gates, $3,800. Are those new gates?

Major KIRK. No, sir; it is just for the relocation of them.

Mr. ENGEL. Of the old gates?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir.

Mr. ENGEL. Why do you have to relocate them; can you not go through the old cemetery back to the new part?

Major KIRK. Your main highway comes through this way [indicating], and U. S. Highway 65 is here [indicating], and there is another one here, and they intersect right there.

Mr. ENGEL. Right in front of the cemetery?

Major KIRK. Yes, sir; and we have such congestion here that the trucks cannot get in and out here; and as a result of that, we are removing the entrance up to here [indicating].

Mr. ENGEL. How far?

Major KIRK. Possibly 200 feet to the north.