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they are undeserving of emancipation, Brien of Thomond,” says the histoand ought not to obtain it. It will rian, “having submitted to King Henperhaps be said, and with some ap- ry, Donchad of Ossory, dreading the pearance of truth too, that they do advantages which his rival might acnot prevent, but encourage crime, for quire by his forward zeal, hastened to the sake of making the aspect of the the King, and submitted to become country more terrifying to the Eng- his tributary and vassal.” The conlish ; but, if this were true, what po- duct of the other Irish chiefs was sia litician could advise that to people milar. The manners, customs, and capable of thus acting, additional poa language of nations may alter and ima litical power should be given ? I say prove; but there are certain great nagiven, for as to the Irish Catholics ta. tional characteristics which, however king it by force, it is, as I said before, modified, remain in their leading fearidiculous. They have no notion of tures the same. England, as long as any such thing. It is possible, but we know her, has been sturdy, inflexit is not at all likely, that the mass of ible England. She never would be bula the population who have nothing to lied or driven into anything, nor will lose, might be led into insurrection, she yet. Scotland would never abide and a dreadful scene of slaughter the stranger to dwell within her quarwould then ensue ; but who would be ters; but whether he came with bow their leaders ? The Roman Catholics and spear, or with surplice and prayer of Ireland who possess property, know book, she drove him forth; and still too well the value of what they have, she stands, maintaining her own laws to risk it by any such desperate mea- and her own religion. Ireland-wild sure. They must know, that unless Ireland, the land of quick feeling and they take delight in slaughter, they unsettled principles, never was conwould obtain no good from the at- stant or unanimous in any purpose, tempt, but that confiscation of proper- nor is she now. Leave her to herself, ty, banishment, and death in the field, and treachery and disunion would conor on the scaffold, would be to them- tinue to tear her in pieces.

United selves the final and dreadful conse- as one man !" changed indeed must quences. But I do them wrong in she be, before that can be truly said supposing for a moment, that it is of her. fear of the consequences which re- Still the insecurity of life and prostrains them. It is a calumny to im- perty in Ireland is dreadfully, shamepute “ disaffection” to them; and, fully exaggerated by the orators. whatever the forty-shillingfreeholders, In some districts, particularly the lay or ecclesiastical, might be dispo- county of Tipperary, there certainly sed to do, I am sure the Roman Cae does prevail a dreadful recklessness of tholic gentlemen of Ireland would, if human life, of which the consequences an insurrection broke out to-morrow, are too horrible to be described ; but instead of supporting it, give it their even this is the result of feuds amongst zealous opposition.

themselves. They have a wild notion, “ Ireland united as one man !” Alas! that their own people should submit for Ireland's national honour, never to the lawless regulations which they did she exhibit such a union; never lay down amongst themselves; and, did a foreign foe plant his foot on the while it is a shocking truth that, in the Irish shore, that he did not find some county of Tipperary, an Irishman who of her own people ready to join him, takes a farm from which another has for the sake of revenging their intesa been ejected, may be murdered in the tine quarrels. What is the disgraceful daylight, without his neighbours inlegend of Irish history-is Dermod terfering to prevent the crime, or to forgotten, who, for the sake of aven. secure the criminal, an Englishman ging himself upon Roderic, brought who had taken the same farm would the English invaders into the heart of probably escape ; they would consider his native country? Shall we not re- him without the pale of their

revenge, member, that when Henry the Second which is truly with them, as Lord Bao inarched through the land as a con- con defines it, “ a kind of wild jusqueror, instead of meeting with oppo. tice.” But the horrid state of Tipperary sition, and “ a country united as one is by no means general over the whole man,” disunion and private hatred laid country; and I myself know of inthe country prostrato at his feet? “0', stances in the county Limcric, where


gentlemen's houses Protestant gen- why will he not inquire? Is it his tlemen, I mean, with their houses business, or his duty, as a statesman, full of valuable property_are left, to make a glowing powerful speech, even in the middle of the night, al, (I did not think, by the by, that Charmost without bolt or bar, and certainly lie Grant had it in him to make such much more insecure against invasion a speech,) founded upon statements from without than would be safe in which he well knew to be " overchar. any part of England.

ged?" Overcharged,

,"indeed! What It is melancholy to contemplate the a delicate word ! False false is the enormous mischief which is done by word, good St Charlie--but let us these continual exaggerations of the have your own flourish.

« There exlawless, and wicked, and wretched ists in Ireland, a power, compact, well state of Ireland. People are quite organized, not recognized by the confrightened at the name of the place, stitution, disavowed and condemned Men who have capital to lay out in by Parliament, usurping the functions agriculture and manufactures sooner of the executive, exercising even fipal think of going to Van Diemen's Land, authority, extending its dominion over than to a country of which they hear every part of the country, and able at such dreadful descriptions. They its will to command and direct the transport themselves to the Antipodes, movements of the whole people.” Very rather than go three days' journey to fine indeed. The first part of the de a country, which they are not allowed scription, however, has this advantage to think of, without thinking at the over the latter, that it is true, which same time of murder. This is the evil the other is not. But it being true that which the orators bring upon their a power exists, not recognized by the country; and while they take credit constitution, and disavowed and con, to themselves for boundless patriotism, demned by Parliament, why is it sufthey ruin their native land,

fered to exist ? Oh! for one year's As to a general rebellion, there is wise and vigorous decision in the Go, no idea of any such thing at present vernment of Ireland ! in Ireland, and if there were, there is no You know, Mr North, I hate a place in the world where it would be long argument, when the pith of it sooner known. The Irish are so com- begins to decline, so I shall not detain pletely abandoned to the influence of you much longer. The state of Irefeeling and passion, that keeping a se- land at present, is certainly not an encretis

with them quite out of the ques- viable one, for party feeling rankles tion. The gathering storm, too, would with an excessive soreness, of which manifestitself in a variety of ways the previous times, bad as they have somepeople would not work, they would times been, scarcely afford an examabandon their fields, well knowing that ple. But let Parliament men, newsin a time of disturbance, they would men, or Catholic Association men, say be masters, and no rent would have what they please, I say, much might to be paid.. Letters would be sent to be done for Ireland, without Catholic particular individuals occasioned by Emancipation--and the first thing is, gratitude for some individual act of to let the truth be known, for it is kindness, and warning them of their quite incredible the quantity of false« danger. Disclosures would be made by hood that is abroad, concerning that some, fearing like Donchad of Ossory, country. I wish a Society were estathat others would get before them, blished, to send some of its members and be exclusive sharers of the reward, regularly into Ireland, for the sake of and many other indications would in- actually beholding what was going on fallibly appear.

there. I will ensure the safety of the Mr Grant is so well pleased with the lives of the travellers at a small preopportunity for making a fine speech, mium. What a "refreshing thing which Mr Fitzgerald's statement fur- an unprejudiced report would be ! nishes, that although he knows it is I am, with great respect, not correct, yet “ he will notinquire to

Mr North, what degree, in some respects, the

Yours, picture may be overcharged.” And 7th June 1828.


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P.S..I annex a note of the proceedings and divisions in Parliament on thie Catholic Question, which may be interesting to some of your readers.




1805. Mr Fox moved for a Committee to take into consideration the Catholic claims.

Ayes, 124; Noes, 336.-Majority against the Catholics, 212. 1806. Question not brought forward. 1807. Question not brought forward. 1808. Motion for a Committee to take into consideration the Catholic claims. Ayes,

128; Noes, 281.-Majority against the Catholics, 153, 1809. Question not brought forward. 1810. Motion for a Committee to take into consideration the Catholic claims. Ayes,

109; Noes, 213.-.-Majority against the Catholics, 104. 1811. Motion for a Committee. Ayes, 83 ; Noes, 146. Majority against the Catho.

lics, 63. 1812. April 24. Mr Grattan's motion for a Committee. Ayes, 215; Noes, 300._Ma

jority against the Catholics, 85. June. Mr Canning's motion for a Committee early in the next Session, to take

into consideration the Catholic claims. Ayes, 235; Noes, 106.-Majority for

the Catholics, 129. June. A similar motion in the Lords by Lord Wellesley. The order of the day

being moved in opposition to Lord W.'s motion. Contents, 126; Non-con

tents, 125. Majority against the Catholics, 1. 1813. Feb. 3. Debated for three nights.

Mr Grattan's motion for a Committee to take into serious consideration the Ca,

tholic claims. Ayes, 264; Noes, 224. Majority for the Catholics, 40. March 9. First reading of the Bill. Ayes, 186 ; Noes, 119.-Majority for the

Catholics, 67.
May 11. Motion by Sir J. C. Hippesley to inquire into the state of the laws af.

fecting Roman Catholics. Opposed by Mr Canning, on the ground of its
being a maneuvre to delay the Bill. For the motion, 187 ; Against it, 235.-

Majority for the Catholics, 48.
May 13. Second reading.
On the motion that it should be read that day three months-Ayes, 203; Noes,

245.-Majority for the Catholics, 42.
May 24. Bill in Committee. On the motion to omit the clause enabling Catho.

lics 10 sit in Parliament--Ayes, 251 ; Noes, 247. Majority against the Ca

tholics, 4; and the Bill withdrawn. 1814. Question not brought forward. 1815. May 31. Sir Henry Parnell's motion for a Committee. Ayes, 147; Noes, 228.

-Majority against the Catholics, 81. 1816. May 21. Mr Grattan's motion for a Committee early in the next Session. Ayes,

141; noes, 172.-Majority against the Catholics, 31. 1817. May 9. Mr Grattan's motion for a Committee. Ayes, 221; Noes, 245...Ma.

jority against the Catholics, 24. 1818. Question not brought forward. 1819. May 4. Mr Grattan's motion for a Committee. Ayes, 241 ; Noes, 243..Ma

jority against the Catholics, 2. 1820. Question not brought forward. 1821. Feb. 28. Mr Plunkett's motion for a Committee. Ayes, 227 ; Noes, 221.

Majority for the Catholics, 6.
March 16. Second reading of the Bill. Ayes, 254; Noes, 243.-Majority in

favour of the Catholics, 11.
March 23. Division on first clause of the Bill. Ayes, 230 ; Noés, 216.-Ma.

jority in favour of the clause, 14.
March 26. Mr Bankes' amendment to exclude Catholics from Parliament.

Ayes, 211; Noes, 223.-Majority for the Catholics, 12.
April 2. Third reading. Ayes, 216 ; Noes, 197.—Majority for the Catholics,

19.Bill passed the Commons.
House of Lords.--Second reading of the Bill. Contents, 120; Non-contents,

159.-Majority against the Catholics, 39.-Bill thrown out. 1822. April 30. Mr Canning's motion for a Bill to enable Catholic Peers to sit in the

Upper House. Ayes, 249; Noes, 244.-Majority for the Catholics, 5.
May 13. Second reading of the Bill. Ayes, 235 ; Noes, 223. Majority for the

Bill, 12.
May 17. Bill passed without a division.
June 21. House of Lords.--Second reading of the Bill. Contents, 129; Non-

contents, 171...Majority against the Bill, 42.Bill thrown out.

1823. April 18. Mr Plunkett's motion for a Committee. Sir Francis Burdett, and

several other Whigs, abruptly left the House. Motion met by a counter. motion for an adjournment. Ayes, 313; Noes, 111.-Majority against the

Catholics, 202. 1824. Question not brought forward. 1825. Feb. 28. Sir Francis Burdett's motion for a Committee. Ayes, 247; Noes, 234.

Majority for the Catholics, 13.
April 22. Second reading of the Bill. Ayes, 268; Noes, 241.-Majority for

the Catholics, 27.
May 10. Third reading of the Bill. Ayes, 248 ; noes, 227.-Majority for the

Catholics, 21..Bill passed.
May 17. House of Lords. Contents, 130 ; Non-contents, 178.. Majority against

the Catholics, 48.-Bill thrown out. 1826. Question not brought forward. Parliament dissolved. 1827. New Parliament.March 5. Sir Francis Burdett's motion for a Committee,

Ayes, 272 ; Noes, 276.Majority against the Catholics, 4.


Letter from an Infantry Officer. SIR, I OBSERVE in your last Number a to decide without trial. Certain I am, letter from “ A Bengal Engineer," « The Bengal Engineer" had seldom complaining of the article in your (if ever) an opportunity of seeing a April Number, “ The Siege of Bhurte ditch, such as that at Bhurtpore, full pore," as attaching much blame to the of water, crossed in the neat way he operations of the engineers. Being the undoubtedly could have advised. author of the journal referred to, con- Speaking of the curtains being low, sequently, the culpable person, I re-. was in reference to the bastions, sevequest you will insert, for his informa- ral of which were from 80 to 93 feet tion, in your next Number, the follow- high--by his own account the curtains ing explanation'and remarks :- were from 50 to 55 feet.

The journal in question was never That the points of attack, at first intended as a full and minute account, chosen, were two curtains, I now well but merely a rough sketch taken on remember, and stand corrected accordthe spot, when duty permitted, during ingly; still I cannot refrain from think, the siege. The little information con- ing it would have proved equally protained therein I was in nowise indebt- fitable to his comments, had he been ed to the engineers for, who, by the blessed with a short memory on this by, were singularly reserved in their occasion, unless he had explained, communications to infantry officers on why two curtains” were fixed on, the most trivial subjects. Before I in preference to two salient bastions. proceed further, I must disclaim any That the two curtains were ill selecta intention of throwing blame to the ed, and contrary to the common prin. degree stated on that distinguished ciples of fortification to form breaches corps, “The Bengal Engineers.” The in, is indisputable, when the flank fire operations were, generally speaking, of the bastions, as well as the bastions carried on with talent, as the result themselves, were complete and occuproved, and with zeal, as no one can pied. That I am borne out in this deny. That an engineer should neces- statement, is evident from the fact, sarily be better acquainted with his pe- that, after eight days' struggling to culiar department and details than an form a sort of breach, they were given infantry officer, no one will question, up entirely, and the bastions, which but that he is not liable to error in ought to have been attacked at first, judgment at times, he will scarcely were at last determined on. The gunaffirm.

breach to the left of the long-necked Regarding his remark," that had bastion I examined the day after the the ditch been filled with water, no fort fell, and have no hesitation in failure would have taken place,” it is a stating, that had it been attacked, there strong assertion-at best, a matter of was great chance of failure in that opinion-failures not many years since quarter, from the impossibility of a occurred under as favourable circum- sufficient number of men being able stances, and this is a point impossible to reach its summit at once. At the

are, the "


bottom was a great quantity of fine His next paragraph requires notice. dust, that hid an entire escarp of 30. The sap crowning the counterscarp feet, although at a distance it had the opposite the left breach, (if it could be appearance of an easy slope up to the so called,) was very badly constructed, breach. To the remark, that the ta- and without excavation, on the mornking of Kuddum Kundie, &c. is exe ing of 12th January, (unless a foot tremely incorrect, I answer, the chances in depth, and as much in breadth,

Bengal Engineer" was not is deemed sufficient.) The gabions, at the post during the day, or he would stuffed with cotton, were in no part have seen four guns instead of two, musket proof,“ having no earth beunder Lieutenant H. of the artillery; hind them.". I had the pleasure of also the guns in question were frem twenty-four hours duty in it, soon afquently fired that day against the fort. ter its construction, and can speak to Îhat an attempt to make a battery of its qualities, and found it necessary to sand-bags and cotton-bales, is correct, request both sand bags and tools might I assert, and was only prevented by be sent to complete it-it was by the the heavy fire from the fort. Had the soldiers in it, that it was rendered fit engineer been behind these bales a few to hold the firing party, after some hours, he would have had an opportu- loss. nity of seeing specimens of Bhurtpore I do not mean to say


lead. gunnery, and witnessed round shot ing to it was not tolerable, or the corpass through them, though two a- ner where the shafts were sinking a breast, at 600 to 700 yards; that the very snug birth, and where I observed loss is exaggerated in regard to men I the engineers most part of the day, of am aware, and was occasioned by mis- course superintending the mining. take; but many bullocks were de That the quantity of water at the foot stroyed. His remarks concerning the of the gun-breach, on the left attack, ramparts.I have since learnt to be to, was known on 8th January, I was not lerably exact; still the breach at the

On the 12th, at four o'clock long-necked bastion was composed of in the evening, an attempt was in a heap of stones and masonry, mixed contemplation, but laid aside. The onwith mud, &c. Two days after the ly method I had of obtaining an idea storming I was obliged to leave Bhurt of the powder used in the various pore, and could not ascertain how far mines, was, by observing the number the above description answered the of bags passing, and making a calcularamparts in general.

tion from them. When the engineer My observation, regarding the es- states 280 to be the angle the left carp being 60 feet, was a matter of breach formed with the horizon, his conjecture. This remark I noted down instrument must have been out of ore on 6th January. Now, by his own der, or he took his base-line at the account, the real height was not known extreme clod thrown into the ditch; before the 8th January. Considering it appeared nearer 38° or 40°, than that my view was from the advanced 28o. This I had no time to determine: trenches, and his, perhaps, quietly Not being certain of the disposition measured after the place was in our made for the two small columns, I possession, the difference of six feet omitted mention of them on that ac. was not worth mentioning--this re- count only. In conclusion, I humbly mark is equally applicable to the coun- conceive, that, had the “ Bengal Engiterscarp.

neer" waited till the full account apHis next remark refers to what was peared, he so exultingly announces to evidently an error in printing from the be at hand, he would have had at manuscript, (it scarcely requires an least more chance of triumph than has engineer's abilities or education to dise attended his present attempt. tinguish between scarp and counter- Sir, I am, yours, &c. scarp, much less to suppose a mine un

An INFANTRY OFFICER. der a bastion could blow in the coun- 12th June, 1828. terscarp,) and adds no weight to his review by noticing it. The loss of ma. P.S.-If the “ Bengal Engineer" terials by the explosion, I had no could inform me when the Bhurtpore means of ascertaining the amount of, prize-money is to be paid, I shall and thought it of no importance to do willingly excuse, and patiently bear so, when abundance of wood was at his corrections. hand to replace them.

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